I.hate. Digitech.That aside, their RP stuff is ancient, obsolete, and hasn't had firmware bugs remediated in something like four or five YEARS. In digital, that's like back in the middle ages - and a long time to let defects sit ignored.I'm thinking about dumping my unused RP500 while I still can. It's a dinosaur, though incredibly they're still selling them. They'll come up with something new, USB3, higher bitdepth, blah, blah and this thing will instantly have the market value of a cinderblock.
I bought it used/mint from a guy JUST because I wanted to use the Whammy/Harmonizer effects. Nothing more.
Turns out the firmware is screwed up in these effects - and who knows what other functions. Digitech knows, doesn't care.
The sound quality is good for the price, and newer electronics mean that the modeling technologies are of a higher quality than previous generations. I just wish that there would be more 'straight forward' presets in the box, with the bulk of them designed to be showcases for what the Element XP can do. Digitech Element XP Multi-Effects Processor with expression pedal. 37 different effects, 12 amp sims 9 speaker cab sims, guitar tuner, headphone jack, rhythm tracks, etc. Mint condition. Includes original box and power supply.
Put it in the closet with all my other stupid buys.I'm not kindly disposed toward ZOOM so far, either, after welshing on the MS-60B firmware upgrade.How can you not hate companies like this?For recording, there is simply no good reason to use hardware digital effects except if manual expression and switching interfaces are really necessary.Otherwise, you're miles ahead using VSTs - which are regularly bugfixed and updated as a matter of routine maintenance.I'm in the process of rebuilding my studio, after which time most of this hardware is going into storage. Or the landfill. Click to expand.Can you provide any further information about this? As far as I know, this is the first time anyone from Digitech has even acknowledged there was a problem.According to the many threads on this problem I've read since getting this thing, the versions of the firmware at least make a difference in the degree the problem shows up, with some who own several RP500s claiming further variation in the production run of these units - and everyone claiming it's worse with the current v2 firmware (2009) than it was previously.
Some rolled back to v1.4 firmware and claimed a substantial improvement.That site's forums don't load and I can't see any recent dates on this stuff. I'm assuming this beta more recent than the v2. If it is, I'll try it. As I already stated, there isn't a problem, there is a limitation.The DNA2 cannot track like the dedicated processors in the Whammy, never will. And, in order to have a harmonizer fit in a MFX unit it HAS to be a cut-down version of our harmony algorithm.To give you an idea of the limitations of a harmonizer algorithm in the DNA2, check out the Swing Shift or Impossible Pedal ePedals for the iStomp. These represent the absolute best that the DNA2 can do with harmony. And the ENTIRE DNA2 is being utilized to get to this okay level of performance, not just part of the DNA2 like in our MFX.
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Compare these pitch shifters to the Whammy V and the Bass Whammy that use dedicated Freescale processors - there is no real comparison. Polyphony on a DNA2?
Forget about it. I'm not kindly disposed toward ZOOM so far, either, after welshing on the MS-60B firmware upgrade.How can you not hate companies like this?For recording, there is simply no good reason to use hardware digital effects except if manual expression and switching interfaces are really necessary.Otherwise, you're miles ahead using VSTs - which are regularly bugfixed and updated as a matter of routine maintenance.I'm in the process of rebuilding my studio, after which time most of this hardware is going into storage.
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Or the landfill. The DNA2 cannot track like the dedicated processors in the Whammy, never will. And, in order to have a harmonizer fit in a MFX unit it HAS to be a cut-down version of our harmony algorithm.To give you an idea of the limitations of a harmonizer algorithm in the DNA2, check out the Swing Shift or Impossible Pedal ePedals for the iStomp.
These represent the absolute best that the DNA2 can do with harmony. And the ENTIRE DNA2 is being utilized to get to this okay level of performance, not just part of the DNA2 like in our MFX. Compare these pitch shifters to the Whammy V and the Bass Whammy that use dedicated Freescale processors - there is no real comparison. Polyphony on a DNA2? Forget about it. Click to expand.All of which is exactly why my position has always been that you should get digital effects off the floor and into a strong computer whenever practical, but I digress.I was aware by comparing them that the various effects within the RP series were variously & incrementally crippled relative to price, but I didn't realize that it was quite so extreme in this case compared to the stand-alone units, and that all the RP units are essentially just parodies of the real thing. Had I been more aware of this, I certainly never would have messed with the RP500 in the first place.
I hate being in the dark about technical aspects that actually matter while Marketing plays watch-the-monkey for an audience of ignorant fanboys.I still assume here that if you're operating on the ragged edge of the possible in terms of available processing resources, their allocation plus the quality and efficiency of your programming matters a lot - so I'm not entirely ready to dismiss as complete gristleheadedness the persistent claim that these resource-intensive effects are working better/worse with different versions of the firmware.But it might be so. About 80% of what people on gear forums 'hear' is imaginary or misattributed, so it could be here was well. I had nothing to compare this effect to in terms of previous firmware versions, only complaints from others about it and the fact that these particular effects were not working to my expectations. I've only had one problem with my Digitech BP355, but I can't blame it on Digitech. I have a laptop that has 'issues.' Once when I had my BP355 hooked up to my computer for editing patches, my computer crashed in the middle of a download.
The result was that the BP355 started getting noisy and not switching patches correctly. I did a factory reset and have had absolutely no issues with the unit since.I am very happy with my BP355 and think that it sounds pretty darn good on both bass and electric guitar.
I don't use it live though because my pedalboard that has a Zoom ms60b Tech 21 VT bass v2 Zoom b2.1u is just easier to change on the fly in an unfamiliar environment. And it sounds great.so why change something that works well for me?No offense, but anyone who can't make any of the current multi-effect units sound decent, really hasn't spent the time learning to tweak the unit. They all have their limitations, but each is capable of producing good tones. Click to expand.That's what I've been telling people for over a decade, and it's true.Still, there are specific effects that just require more resources to convincingly work than digital stomps have at their disposal (see above).And they're still better off done in a real computer (all a digital effect box is, is a small dedicated digital computer) if you're recording and don't need the physical control interface.It's just 1s and 0s. Do it where you can move the most of them.The only reason I've messed with digital outboard effects was that there was no comparable VST plugin at the time, that I needed an expression pedal or that I was not going to be recording with a computer, but with a small portable unit that didn't support plugins. The latter is why I bought those ZOOM things recently while I'm rebuilding my studio. I was aware by comparing them that the various effects within the RP series were variously & incrementally crippled relative to price, but I didn't realize that it was quite so extreme in this case compared to the stand-alone units, and that all the RP units are essentially just parodies of the real thing.
Had I been more aware of this, I certainly never would have messed with the RP500 in the first place. I hate being in the dark about technical aspects that actually matter while Marketing plays watch-the-monkey for an audience of ignorant fanboys. Click to expand.This is a bit more of a sweeping generalization than I am comfortable with. Most, if not a great majority, of the FX in the RP series do not suffer from DSP limitations and are not really 'crippled' in any sense of the word (or by intention). The Harmonizer/Whammy FX and Reverbs are VERY processor intensive and hit the limit of processing very quickly. Other typical mod FX like chorus, phase, or flange, or time-based stuff like delays are not as processor intensive (relatively).So it is the harmonizer and reverb where you'll easily hear processor limitations, that is one of the reasons why Lexicon PCM96's cost thousands of dollars and Element XP's cost a hundred.
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